Offense to reject Iskcon Guru?!?

Question– MAHÄRÄJA JÉ, there are many devotees in iskcon and Gauòéya maöha who have been following our YouTube Channel and reading Your Granthas. Now they are pretty aware that all wrong is being done in their institute, like maìgala äraté, bhoga offering and other things. But the problem is that now they are very fearful to leave their institute and take shelter of a bonafide paramparä, because they are very fearful of, they think they might commit offense to the Guru or Äcärya from whom they have taken initiation or have taken the shelter. So, MAHÄRÄJA JÉ my very humble request, that if you can kindly guide us on this & help us out.

MAHÄRÄJA JÉ – This is a sincere question. When I left Iskcon, in 2009 along with around 200 Devotees. We went to have Darçana of Çréla Ananta Däsa Bäbäjé Mahäräja, our GURUDEVA. I asked the same question, ditto, word to word, same question, to Çréla Ananta Däsa Bäbäjé Mahäräja.

“Bäbäjé Mahäräja, we all are in Iskcon, and we want to leave Iskcon now and take shelter here, so, is it an offense to reject an Iskcon guru and take shelter outside Iskcon?

Then, Bäbäjé Mahäräja answered… So, before telling you what Bäbäjé Mahäräja answered, I want to tell you something about Bäbäjé…

BÄBÄJÉ is the most knowledgeable, most scholarly person we have ever come across. Not just we, you meet any Big Guru also, in a proper Gauòéya Vaiñëava Parivära. When Bäbäjé Mahäräja used to give Lectures in Kartik, they all, the Big Gurus, used to come and sit at His Lotusfeet to hear lectures. All biggest Gurus, they all read His books, His Granthas.

And, when Bäbäjé Mahäräja left His Body, a Siddha Saint… I was fortunate enough to be next to this Siddha Saint. He said about Çréla Ananta Däsa Bäbäjé… ‘na bhüto na bhaviñyati’.

Such a Saint will never appear in future, and that Sidhha saint was about 100 years old. He said, He has seen so many saints, but He has never seen anyone like Ananta Däsa Bäbäjé, na bhüto na bhaviñyati..

Greatest scholar that ever lived…

And I, on a personal level, have met so many saints in my life. Any person on the planet who could satisfy Me are only Çréla Ananta Däsa Bäbäjé… Who could give me answers and I was perfectly satisfied with it.

So, the same question was being asked, I asked BÄBÄJÉ the same question, so Bäbäjé Mahäräja said, He said in Hindi – “grahaëa hoga tab to tyäga hogä, jab grahaëa hé nahéì, toh tyäga kaise!”

So, Bäbäjé Mahäräja said, “If you haven’t accepted anyone, if you haven’t even taken shelter of anyone then how can you reject them! You first have to accept someone before you can reject them.”

What Bäbäjé Mahäräja meant by this was… He was the most knowledgeable person that we have ever come across, anyone has ever come across.

You read His Granthas, then you will understand the quantum of His deep realizations, on every topic!

Bäbäjé Mahäräja said that you have to accept someone before rejecting that person, and unless & until, one is in a proper Gauòéya parivära, Nityänanda parivära, Advaita parivära… If a paramparä is not in a particular parivära, then that paramparä itself is not bonafide.

So, if you are rejecting some guru, who is not connected to a proper paramparä or a proper Gauòéya parivära then that rejection is, actually, not really a rejection, because you never accepted.

If you are initiated in a proper parivära, Nityänanda parivära, Advaita parivära or Gadädhara parivära and you reject that Guru, then it’s a huge huge offense.

Somehow you got your eternal Guru and you rejected that. But if you reject Iskcon guru, it is not the same. Because they themselves are not connected anywhere. Anyone who has in their paramparä, Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé, Bhaktivinoda Öhäkura  & Jagannätha Däsa Bäbäjé, be very clear, it is not a proper bonafide paramparä. Rejecting, leaving that place is not an offense at all. There is no offense in leaving that place where all of them are in the same Altar.. Bhaktivinoda Öhäkura, Jagannätha Däsa Bäbäjé and Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé.

We know places where people put Jagannätha Däsa Bäbäjé in the Altar because they are in the Advaita parivära, they can put, put Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé.

And we go to Jagannätha Däsa Bäbäjé Samädhé, you put Jagannätha Däsa Bäbäjé picture if you are in that parivära. There is no offence… but if you put all of them and make a Khicaòé paramparä, that is simply not bonafide.

You cannot make or create a paramparä. Paramparä eternally exists or it doesn’t exist. And this paramparä does not exist in eternity. Bhaktivinoda Öhäkura, Jagannätha Däsa Bäbäjé & Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé, these three, they do not exist together.

Rejecting a place where all of them are put together and are shown as, are referred as paramparä, is not rejection at all. That is why Bäbäjé said– first you have to accept. You haven’t accepted any parivära. If you have taken Dékñä, you must know which parivära you are related to. What is your eternal Tilaka!

In a Gauòéya Vaiñëava lineage, which is bonafide, whatever Tilaka you get is your eternal Tilaka. Isckon, Gaudiya Maöha, they put yellow Tilaka and top of that they put tulasé. This Tilaka neither Nityänanda parivära has, nor Advaita Parivära has.

Who is the Guru of Bhakti Sidhhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura? Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé. He wears a circular Tilaka.

Can anyone ask Bhakti Sidhhänta Sarasvaté, why do you wear a Tulasi pattä and yellow Tilaka? You are very clear you don’t want to put that Tilaka even in your present life, then how will you get that Tilaka for eternity?!

Real Guru paramparä means who engages us in Lord Gauräìga’s service. If you are not yourself connected to a proper parivära, you can never serve Lord Gauräìga, because Lord Gauräìga is always served through a particular channel. Someone’s channel is Lord Nityänanda’s channel, someone’s channel is Lord Advaita’s channel, someone’s channel is Gadädhara Paëòita’s channel, but there has to be a singular channel through which you serve Lord Gauräìga in the spiritual world.

I’m very clearly telling you, just know the channel which you are in. Do you know any channel which you are in?

You can be in Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé’s channel if you are getting initiated in that paramparä, then it’s fine. You can get initiated in Jagannätha Däsa Bäbäjé, that lineage, that is also fine, but putting them together and calling it a paramparä – that is absolutely not fine!! You will never go to the spiritual world by this kind of paramparä!! So, rejecting such a place is no rejection at all, this is what Ananta Däsa Bäbäjé meant to say.

Paramparä must be unbroken. There cannot be a broken paramparä. Have you ever heard of this concept of broken paramparä? Paramparä means which is unbroken. How can paramparä be broken? How can you reject Guru of your Guru?

You said your Guru is Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé… Okay! How can you reject your Guru’s Guru, and not put him in your Altar? Bhakti Sidhhänta Sarasvaté puts Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé in Altar, but he doesn’t put Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé’s Guru in the Altar. He doesn’t even tell the name of Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé’s Guru to any of his followers, as if something bad has happened to Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé!

My Guru is Ananta Däsa Banaji, His Guru is Çréla Kuïja Bihäré Däsa Bäbäjé, I put Him in My Altar! And I’m very proud of that.

Similarly, you should be proud of your Guru’s Guru! You are ashamed of your Guru’s Guru?

You are rejecting your Guru’s Guru… you are not putting a proper lineage in your Altar. In your Altar also you are not putting a proper lineage, you said you got initiated from Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé then you must put all the Guru Varga till Advaita Äcärya in your Altar, then only it is a bonafide paramparä in Advaita’s family.

Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé is from Advaita parivära, be very clear. And you got all the Gurus from Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé till Advaita Äcärya and you put the same Tilaka… and you continue, then you are also in the bonafide paramparä.

But if you reject Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé’s Guru, if you reject Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé’s Tilaka, if you reject Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé’s Païca Tattva Mantra, if you reject Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé’s bhoga offering, if you reject the way Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé used to do Maìgala Äraté, if you reject Gaura Kiçora Däsa Bäbäjé’s saìnyäsa clothes…

I mean, if you reject everything about your Guru, how can you be in paramparä?

Paramparä means allegiance, anugatya. There is zero anugatya!! Paramparä means anugatya. What else is paramparä! Paramparä doesn’t mean creation. It means anugatya. Creation means the opposite of anugatya. Anugatya means I follow everything, ‘samyak pradäyate iti sampradäya’. Following everything ‘as it is’ given by my Guru, how can you change even a word given by your guru?

And if you are rejecting such a person who is rejecting everything of his Guru, then this is no rejection! You finally rejecting the wrong place. How is it burning on fire if you reject that? Is it a good thing or bad thing? How spiritual life is burning uselessly… better reject that present, get connected to a bonafide place.

The Question was– whether you are rejecting Guru or not?

The answer is, whether the person is Guru or not… is he really a Guru? Really a Guru means, Guru means one who is connected to proper Gauòéya Vaiñëava lineage first. That person must be connected to a proper Gauòéya Vaiñëava lineage. That person himself is not connected; how will he connect you to that lineage?

Rejecting an institutional Guru is not rejecting an actual Guru. If you are connected to any Gadädhara Parivära or Çréväsa Parivära, Nityänanda Parivära, you, along with your ancestors will go to hell, sure enough. But if you are rejecting the Institutional Guru, who himself is not connected anywhere, totally fake mantras, fake everything… One should not fear if one is rejecting iskcon or someone. Many Prabhupäda’s disciples, Çréla Prabhupäda disciples come here. One of Prabhupäda’s disciples came to Me for initiation. Not… Few of them came for initiation, in Rädhäkuëòa and someone from London as well. They approached Me. We have got so many initiations in Rädhäkuëòa, Prabhupäda direct disciples. And Bhakti Sidhhänta ji’s disciples also came and approached many Bäbäjés when they got the real knowledge.

This Tilaka is fake, Païca Tattva Mantra is fake, Bhoga is fake, Maìgala is fake, everything is fake, then who will get connected to that fake place?? We are here to waste our life or we are here to become a proper Gauòéya Vaiñëava?

You can become a proper Gauòéya Vaiñëava only when you get connected to a proper parivära. Many Bhakti Sidhhänta followers come and they take shelter here… Many Prabhupäda’s disciples come and they take shelter here. Many iskcon Gaudiya maöha sannyäsés, they wish to see Me, meet Me, when they write books, they want to meet Me!  Because they don’t know what they are writing about! They want to see Me.

Rejecting a Guru from a self-proclaimed paramparä is no rejection. Please understand this thing. Rejecting the Guru of a self-proclaimed paramparä without a parivära, shocking!! Shocking!

99.99% of the devotees in iskcon, they don’t even know that parivära… what parivära they are in Gauòéya Vaiñëava sampradäya, which is so very important.

Have you ever heard from Iskcon devotees, what parivära? Hardly anyone…. These people are hearing our Lectures then they’re getting to know what parivära actually is. Otherwise, they don’t even know any relevance of parivära in spiritual life.

Parivära means family. You have to get connected to Nityänanda family or Advaita family or Gadädhara… some family… a lineage, to go to the spiritual world.